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People’s Vote group launched in Lichfield

A local group calling for a fresh ballot on Brexit has been launched in Lichfield.

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The People’s Vote initiative is calling for a second poll to be held based on the updated details around the terms of leaving the European Union.

Now a Lichfield branch of the organisation has been launched, with a first meeting held in December.

The group is planning to have a Brexitometer stall in the city centre on 12th January to canvas current local opinion on the issue.

A spokesperson said: “With the UK seemingly heading towards the likely defeat of Theresa May’s deal or a no deal Brexit there is growing support throughout the country for a second vote to give the electorate a say now that the facts are known.

“We are particularly keen to engage with young people, especially those who because of age were not able to vote in either the 2016 referendum and the 2017 general election.”

The stall will be in the city centre from 10am to 12noon.

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24 Comments

  1. Gillian

    9th January, 2019 at 1:18 pm

    Well done! Sadly, my husband and I are away this weekend, but would be very keen to give our support and add our names to your list of supporters.

  2. Philip Allso

    9th January, 2019 at 4:21 pm

    It is patently obvious that the relatively narrow margin of victory for the leave lobby has been a cause for concern. The reaction throughout the country has been unprecedented. Perhaps legislation should be introduced to require at least a 25% difference before a change can be made. This legislation should be implemented before any future referendums.

  3. AnnS

    9th January, 2019 at 5:45 pm

    Couldn’t agree more Philip.

  4. Darryl

    9th January, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    As an advisory referendum Cameron could have framed the question anyway he wished. This was incompetence by the Tories.

  5. Philip Allso

    10th January, 2019 at 9:32 am

    The leaflets that were sent to every household were unequivocal in stating that the result of the referendum would be upheld. All this advisory rubbish has only emerged since the result did not go the way of London and others who feel disaffected. If a further referendum produced a result with a narrow margin in favour of remaining it would make the country ungovernable. In many respects our much lauded “Mother of Democracy” has already disgraced its position. One fears for the future.

  6. Damian Poole

    10th January, 2019 at 10:34 am

    This is a slap in the face to everyone who voted. Britain has voted, we have the result. It’s now time to act upon that result. End of debate.

  7. Jeremy

    10th January, 2019 at 12:02 pm

    I’m definitely for a peoples vote, a second chance. I think a lot of people feel lied to and misled and would vote to remain. This then would be the majority vote.

  8. Liberartus

    10th January, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    The people’s vote already took place. The people voted for a clean break with the E.U.. There was no ambiguity about what that entailed. Those campaigning for a second vote are attempting a stitch up. This is a betrayal of democracy. Obviously.

  9. Mat Hayward

    10th January, 2019 at 5:59 pm

    Damian Poole why is it the end of the debate? I still want to talk about it, and you are responding so we are debating whether you like it or not.

  10. Chris

    10th January, 2019 at 7:26 pm

    Referenda are only a useful tool in a representative democracy when there is an informed electorate, a good turnout, and a clear margin. In the EU referendum no attempt was made to inform, plenty was made to misinform, and the result was exactly that which Farage said would require another referendum should it go the other way.

    The “will of the people” is a complete misnomer. 17 million people voted to leave. Far, far more didn’t. And the whole point of having a representative democracy is to protect the country from the will of the people.

    A badly worded and poorly executed referendum is very much antidemocratic.

    A further “people’s vote” would do no good, the only options could be to remain or various flavours of leave spreading the leave vote and guaranteeing a remain victory. The result would never be accepted and division would grow.

    The cruelest irony of the vote issthat the majority of the misheld anti-EU beliefs have the root in stories made up by Boris Johnson when he was a journalist in Brussels. Stories he made up to amuse himself because he was bored.

    The great tragedy of the vote is that it has left the government doing almost nothing else for two years. Almost nothing whilst lots desperately needed doing. Almost nothing whilst the NHS crumbled, whilst millions descended into poverty, whilst homeless numbers, food Bank use, soared.

    Leaving the EU will not fix those problems. Neither will remaining.

    The damage has been done, the country is ripping itself apart, and whatever happens next things are going to get worse. It will take generations for the country to heal.

    All because David Cameron took a gamble on appeasing a few people in his own party to help him win an election.

  11. Darryl

    10th January, 2019 at 7:49 pm

    I assume that Philip & Damian knew exactly what they were voting for when they ticked leave?

  12. Rob

    10th January, 2019 at 9:39 pm

    Are you going to call them Sheeple this time Darryl?

  13. Philip Allso

    10th January, 2019 at 9:51 pm

    Well thanks Darryl. Like most things in politics the electorate have never been privy to all the ‘facts’. This is after all politics and vested interests are at stake. I doubt many if any understood the implications when we joined. It was sold as a ‘common market’ and as such seemed a good Idea. If we had been informed of the federal aspects which slowly developed we might have had reservations. I particularly dislike the freedom of movement aspect. Much could be said but a drive around parts of Birmingham and Burton on Trent might better illustrate my reasons. I also believe that we, as a developed nation, are recieving a disproportionate number of immigrants simply because they have more to gain. In spite of government’s attempting to limit this the EU proved totally intransigent. There are other EU members who are begining to understand that (in spite of the cheap labour they provide) the long term implications will not lead to intigration and cultural differences will not be reconciled. The gang culture in London is just one example of this. I have no problem welcoming qualified professional people, students and the proviso’s the government are now implementing. There are other aspects I considered (the money being the least of them). Some were positive but on balance I think we should leave. Much has been said about trade deals. Where there is a willing seller and a willing buyer a way will be found. We are a capitalist country. Business does not care (e.g. Dyson, Rover etc and most of the manufacturers) will do what suits them best. A job for life is no longer a probability. I have seen too many manifestos in my life to think government’s are wholly credible.

  14. Chris

    11th January, 2019 at 10:08 am

    Gang culture in London is not a product of immigration, it is a product of poverty. There is just as big a problem with gang culture and with knife crime in Glasgow where those involved are predominantly white and Scottish.

    Leaving the EU will not lesson immigration, the country is reliant on it. All that will happen is the balance will swing further in favour of non-EU migration.

    Leaving the EU will not alleviate or cure any of the problems facing the country, the root causes are all home grown and the means for improving them has always been within our own grasp.

  15. Hannah Stone

    11th January, 2019 at 10:47 am

    To quote Philip Allso, “I particularly dislike the freedom of movement aspect. Much could be said but a drive around parts of Birmingham and Burton on Trent might better illustrate my reasons”.

    Philip, could you please elaborate? Are you saying you are able to identify EU citizens by simply looking at them? Or is it the Polish shops you are taking exception to?

  16. Philip Allso

    11th January, 2019 at 1:44 pm

    Hannah, thank you for your polite request. When the Windrush docked in the 1950s the government was shocked. They did everything to discourage a repeat of the excercise. With the debt we owed the Commonwealth countries following two world wars it would be morally indefensible to refuse them entry. It is a long story but things have moved on a pace since then. The proviso for freedom of movement (ie residence) in the EU was probably never intended to promote mass immigration. You know this has been a concern over several administrations and there has been government promises to restrict it. No I do not differentiate the origins of immigrants and Chris should understand that there are restrictions that apply to non EU members. In Rumania the earning potential is about a quarter of our minimum rates here. Quite frankly if I was Rumanian I would be here on the first ferry! Therein is one of the problems. Chris sees the cheap labour as essential. I see their extended families as a burden in many ways. It also has the effect of supressing reasonable wages and has been the cause of the introduction of zero hours contracts. The influx of immigrants from none EU countries are less subtle. Visit Small Heath in Birmingham. Have a drive down Green Lane (I learned to swim at the Mosque) the whole area is little India. There are similar areas with those from Pakistan and other ethnic groups. What you won’t see is any integration. I admit to a troubling dichotomy. I was treated by an Indian doctor recently who was nothing less than brilliant. Some parts of the EU are good. Some parts of immigration is good, but it would be naive to think that there are no negative consequences. The EU will not compromise on immigration. Should Turkey be allowed to join the consequences would be overwhelming (ask Germany). I dont consider myself as racist but there are pragmatic long term considerations which will influence future generations.

  17. Laurence Skermer

    11th January, 2019 at 2:06 pm

    I think Philip once saw a baguette in Tescos and has never quite recovered; or maybe it is the inability of our continental cousins to queue properly. I can’t think what else he might mean.

  18. Philip Allso

    11th January, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    Well actually I’m ok with baguettes Laurence but do admit that a certain proprietary with queuing is welcome. I am sorry but I can’t help you with your thinking processes.

  19. Darryl

    11th January, 2019 at 5:37 pm

    Almost every point Philip makes can be debunked with a quick Google. It’s not hard to read between the lines and see why he is a leaver.

  20. Liberartus

    11th January, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    The indigenous population is suffering ever greater deprivation. The NHS is falling apart. Homelessness is rife. Decent jobs are few on the ground.
    What a great time to encourage mass immigration!
    O.K. for the better off, living far from the consequences of these policies. They enjoy a compliant and slave like foreign work force serving them their crepes. and don’t have their neighbourhoods turned into multicultural “utopias”.
    The EU is a totalitarian superstate . and remainers equate membership thereof with “freedom”. Truly bizarre.

  21. Cearbhaill

    12th January, 2019 at 12:19 am

    Now the Brexit result was deeply disappointing for all you people who don’t want the UK to exist anymore. So much so that you are still complaining about it more than two years later. I know that many take it as a personal insult that your views were overruled by- let’s be frank- your inferiors, the stupid people whose opinions shouldn’t count. And to be fair, that’s bound to put anybody in a bad mood. Had you won as predicted, the whole EU question would now be settled permanently and we would be well on our way to a borderless world run by a committee of people who know best. It was all going smoothly until seventeen point four million xenophobes and racists (including yours truly) destroyed it with a heavy blunt instrument called democracy. So now, naturally you are throwing a tantrum and demanding a second referendum. So if democracy means anything, in the home of democracy, it must as promised be delivered in full.

  22. Chris

    12th January, 2019 at 9:34 am

    The simple inescapable truth is that holding the referendum has caused untold damage to the country and whatever happens next it is only going to get worse.

  23. Bill

    14th January, 2019 at 10:31 am

    We can all learn a thing or two from Philip here. Like if you find yourself saying ‘I don’t consider myself as racist BUT’, you most definitely ARE racist. Thanks, Philip.

  24. Philip Allso

    14th January, 2019 at 2:09 pm

    Slight confusion Bill, when you say ‘We’ are you talking for yourself or the whole of society? I don’t normally reply to the pithy one liners which contribute nothing to the debate. Or the amature psychologists who attempt to read my mind. However I think both your and Darryl probably warrent a reply. I was born into the British race. Relatives in two world wars gave their lives to defend it. It’s history, culture and traditions are worth preserving. Since joining the EU and immigration from other parts of the world I have seen many changes. Especially in the larger cities. Perhaps you both approve of the ‘multicultural diversity’ this has created. How do you see it panning out in another fifty years or so? What sort of country will the grandchildren grow up into? Do you both think that unlimited immigration to this country from anywhere else is desirable? Could our social services survive this? My concerns are not racists or xenophobic they are pragmatic and concerned for the future. Give a real opinion not as some self appointed arbiter that just snaps at everyone else. One of the main reasons the majority voted to leave the EU was the immigration issue. I am sorry if you are both immigrants. I bear you no I’ll will. Those already here are welcome to stay.

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